Unabridged meeting between Ramlal Bomjon & Nepali PM

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Note: The owner of this website took the liberty to place the English translation before the Nepalese and add some formatting. Otherwise this is a fathful copy.


by This website | May 29, 2015

 

It appears through this actual event fully recorded, what the actual both intellectual and spiritual capacity of Mr Ramlal Bomjon really is. He speaks like a four years old boy who has seen very little of schools, and would probably not even be able to spell the word education. His preoccupation is only to get what he wants, like a little boy

Unabridged text of meeting between Ramlal Bomjon & Nepali PM Koirala

A pseudo dialogue where nothing is said

It appears through this actual event fully recorded, what the actual both intellectual and spiritual capacity of Mr Ramlal Bomjon really is. He speaks like a four years old boy who has seen very little of schools, and would probably not even be able to spell the word education. His preoccupation is only to get what he wants, like a little boy. He doesn’t really know how to express himself even in his own native Nepali language, gives an absolutely interesting insight on his mindset, and shows that he probably never even wrote himself any of his speeches.

It seems clear why he needs donation money, among other things to finance the salaries of the Khenpos he hires, which are the most likely explanation of the apparent validity of ‘his’ teachings. Whenever captured on tape, on always wanders what is it he really understands, and why does he rarely takes part to any recorded sessions.

It also explains the crucial role played by Mrs Andrea Good, as the only translator used essentially to beautify his text in English and through the deceptive gloss she places over the translations make believe everyone the big farce that is being served to collect money from the easily gullible.

English full transcript

Prime Minister Koirala:

May there be utmost peace in our nation, it is Buddha’s-peace, non-violence and stability be here. Buddha’s as well with regards to harmony for democracy, this nation, especially for development, and taking the lead for development. With regards to that, I just want peace. May there be peace and stability, then only we will achieve these things. This Democratic Republic has become inclusive. This is all good achievement. Even for democracy equal opportunity for everyone has become an achievement. Now we are trapped in conflict. Even now the matter of conflict, terrifying people, coercion, are all against Buddhist religion. We are trying to displace that.

Here poor youths, ladies and young men amounting to 3.5 to 4 million in number are having to go abroad. Whereas nature has provided us with everything here. This huge water resource is our asset. All the raw material of the nation is taken away. We sell it for 1 Rupee. We are having to buy the same for 100 Rupees. May Nepal and Nepali be free from this. And now we are all determined to make investment.

But when peace is violated, after that the same movement, vandalizing, terror, coercion, if still existent, who will have to bear the loss, national will move towards poverty again. Therefore I just have one issue, how can Nepal and Nepali co-exist and live with happiness, prosperity and stability. There is huge terrorism, instability in the world and everybody is in the search of peace.

Now Buddha is the path, isn’t it peace and non-violence? Therefore we also want the same, I am also searching for the same. Now Nepal will issue its constitution in 3, 4 months. What I would ask you to do is to assure Nepali people, your mission, speech should target how to maintain and peace and stability to enable entire Nepali to live with happiness, peace and stability.

May the outbound 3 to 3.5 million youths return. By progressing here in Nepal using our natural resources we can provide employment to millions of people. We are in a position to provide employment for out comers. Nowadays we hear about the death of the poor people in Gulf countries every single day. By living in such a remote area, hot sand, doing such difficult work; at least it is not like that here. Hence may such an environment be created where all Nepali can live with happiness and prosperity.

 

Ramlal Bomjon:

If the government is able to be a little concerned about Dharma, having faith and belief in Dharma, a little trust on religion, we are there to spread peace. If Nepal government shows a little concern towards us, I don’t think it is undo-able. If asked why, it is because we can make people understand, convince people and accommodate everyone. People have faith in religion. Even if 5 people out of 100 have blind faith, we can bring the 95 to have faith.

In order to establish peace in Nepal we are making attempts for it. But due the cross-accusations made upon us, it is evident that you have to help and cooperate with us a little intensely. Even in the forest we are frustrated, cross-accusations are made upon us, let us not say it to you, but perhaps a little to the ground staff… The intellectuals are from the vicinity of the village, they have made the orders. Reality is, they should have helped and cooperated with regards to religion, but it has not happened.

Whenever we do anything, they ask us to go up. When we go up they ask to go down. We are lost in between. We who work have belief that we will get help and cooperation in the forest. You have expressed good things for a better national and deep sentiment for the people. Although am also seen as a commoner, being a citizen have become known in the world as a Guru and have reached that level in the form of Guru. How much of faith, belief, and trust you have on that is something which you have discretion upon. I have faith in religion and belief that all of you will improve.

We also have to keep in mind about disturbance in betterment if the capable has to face blind faith, and cross-accusations by a couple of people. Not even little positive thing about the nation has reached to the international community. I am also making attempts to establish a little bit of identity of the nation. I don’t know what you all think about this, I believe in you all. Having deep faith in you from within I strongly believe that we would be able to receive a forest. In order to do these things from my side, let us propose for the forest. I think that I can do something for the nation.

 

Gentleman:

I would like to tell couple of general things to the honorable Prime Minister about the time when 15 to 20 people were dying every day. When Guru entered Jungle for penance on May 15, 2005 after that along with stability of Nepal and in course of establishment of democracy and republic, the activities of Maoists also started getting calmed down.

Now in this environment the religious forest which is Halkhoriya, Guru is in that area. We had fenced the area of 600 Hectares by barbed wire. We did religious programs, and it was our area for temple and huts etc. All our religious activities were our programs. It was place of residence for our disciples of sangha and after the government demolished this structure, Guru was not allowed to enter there.

Unnecessary activity was done by using media and journalists. Later on when we entered Halkhoriya on June 10 appellate court had issued an interim order. Even during that time armed forest guards along with 700 police personnel came and tried to remove Guru from there. I was myself in Halkhoriya and Piluwa and told the next day that the police chased everyone but could not find Guru. This was told by the forest officials there.

Mr. Prime Minister there were two things that were seen there. The pond that is in Halkhoriya is used for fishery and lot of people come for fishing there. Since that is a national forest area, I think that even the staffs are not able to make a decision. And I feel like a crowd of smuggler of firewood and the ones who cut trees in that national forest area. They could not even pick a leaf of a tree during Guru’s stay there for 6 years and those people are making accusations against us in the administration of Bara, is what we have felt. We don’t have problem in other districts. For instance Guru stayed in Sindhupalchowk, Sindhuli, Sarlahi, Patharkot. We were not bothered by administration in any of these districts but Bara’s administration especially the forest officials chase Guru in the night time. They say that there is no order for Guru to stay here from high command, and Mr. Prime Minister when we ask if they don’t know about Guru residing there since 6 years they say they do know.

 

Prime Minister Koirala:

When forest mafia does so, land mafias would have already entered and they don’t believe in any god, religion.

 

Ramlal Bomjon:

We have to maintain the prestige of the nation, everyone should be together even the people having blind faith…. We have to adopt the path of peace not violence. May everybody improve, be able to be religious and conserve water beings. Somebody of our nation is PM, king, some of them well-established, and some in illusion. Whatever I have been doing is for the well-being of the world, not for my ego. You have to understand that if you are able to provide the forest, I can do the rest and other nations also want this to happen. National and international entities raise question about this. What can we say? Whatever is there is okay, fine, and we have no resentment is what we say. Our negative things should not reach out to other countries.

Nepali full transcript

 

 

“PM: तपाईको मुलुकमा सबै भन्दा शान्ति होस, बुद्धकै हो शान्ति अहिंसा र यहाँ स्थाइत्व होस, बुद्धको पनि त सबै संग राम्रो गरेर लोकतन्त्रको निम्ति यो मुलुकको निम्ति, खासगरी बिकासको निम्ति, बिकास मा अग्रसर हुन को निम्ति त्यो चै खाली शान्ति मलाई चैया छ, अमनचैन होस, अनि मात्रै हामीहरुलाई यी कुराहरु उपलब्दी हुन्छ, यो लोकतान्त्रिक गणतन्त्र समावेशी भएको छ यो सबै राम्रो उपलब्दी हो, लोकतन्त्रको निम्ति पनि सबैलाई समान अवसरहरु पाउने उपलब्दी भएको छ . अब हामीहरुले द्वन्दमा फस्यौं, अैले पनि द्वन्दका कुरालाई यो डर धाक धम्की देखाउने यो सबै बुद्धधर्मको खिलाफका कुराहरु हुन, त्यसैलाई बिस्थापित गर्न खोजिराख्याछौँ । यहाँ येत्रो मानिस ३५, ४० लाख मानिसहरु, बिचराहरु, युवाहरु, युवायुवतीहरु, विदेश जानु परेको छ , जबकी प्रकृतिले हामीलाई सबै कुरा यहाँ उपलब्ध गराएको छ, येत्रो पानी हाम्रो सम्पत्ति हो, देशको raw material हरु सबै लिएर जान्छन्, हामी एक रुपियाँमा बेच्छम्, सय रुपियामा हामीले टी किन्नु परेको छ, त्यसबाट मुक्ति पाओस नेपालले, नेपालीले र सबै अैले हामीहरु सारा लगानी गर्नको निम्ति तत्पर छन् तर अब शान्ति भंग भयो, त्यसपछि त्यही आन्दोलन, त्यही तोडफोड, त्यही डर धाक, करकाप भै रहयो भने त कल्लाई क्षति हुन्छ फेरी मुलक गरिबीमा जान्छ, त्यसकारणले मेरो त यो एउटै कुरा छ कसरी चैँनि यो नेपाल र नेपालीले सुख, सुख समृधि र अमनचैनका साथ बस्न पाउन, बिश्वमै आएको यत्रो terrorism, अराजकता छ सबै यो शान्तिको खोजीमा छन्, अब बुद्धनै मार्ग भयो नि शान्ति र अहिंसा हैन ? त्यसकारणले त्यो हामीहरुपनि त्यै चाहन्छौं, मा पनि त्यै खोजीमा छु, अब अैले नेपालमा ३,४ महिना मा संबिधान आउने हुन्छ, यहाँले यसमा के गर्नुस भने नेपाली हरुलाई आस्वस्त पार्नु पर्यो, यहाँको mission, यहाँको प्रवचन, कसरि चैनि नेपालमा शान्ति र अमनचैन, शान्ति कयेम गरेर समस्त नेपालीहरुलाई सुख, अमनचैनका साथ बसुन, बस्न पाउन, बाच्न पाउन, गएको ३०, ३५ लाख युवाहरु फर्कुन यहाँ नेपालमा हामीले उन्नती गरेर हाम्रो प्राकृतिक जुन स्रोतहरुछन् तेल्लाई हामीहरु प्रयोग गरेर लाखौं मानिस हरुलाई यहाँ गर्न सकिन्छ, हामीहरु बाहिर बाट आएर यहाँ काम दिनु सक्ने आबस्था छ । अहिले तपाइको खाडी मुलुकमा गएर बिचराहरु रोज हामीले खबर सुन्छौं मृत्यु भयो । त्यस्तो बिकट ठाउमा, त्यस्तो गर्मी बालुवाको उसमा बसेर, त्यस्तो कठिन काम गरेर, यहाँ त तेस्तो छैन । त्यसकारणले त्यो बाताबरण, त्यो environment बनोस र समस्त नेपाली हरु सुख र सम्ब्रिदिकासाथ बसुन ।

 

Ramlal Bomjon: Government ले चाई अलिकति धम्मलाई अलि चासो दिएर, अलि धम्म प्रति आस्था विश्वास राखेर, अलिकति भरोसा, धर्ममाथि अलिकति राख्न सक्यो भने, त्यसमा हामी शान्ति फैलाऊनको लागि त हामी छौँ, अलिकति हामी प्रति चाई अलिकति नेपाल सरकारले चाई अलिकति चासो दिई दियो वने त्यसमा नसक्ने कुरा चाई मलाई लाग्दैन, अलिकति यसमा किन भन्दा हामीले बुझाउन सक्छौं, सम्झाउन सक्छौं, सबैलाई समेट्न सक्छौं धर्म प्राप्ति आस्था विश्वास राख्छन, १०० मा ५ मात्र अन्धबिस्वास लागेता पनि ९५ त हामीले ल्याउन सकिन्छौँ, बिस्वस्म नेपाल मा शान्ति हुन को निमित्त एसको प्रयास मा हामी लागिरहेको छौँ तर हामी माथि लागेको जुन प्रत्यारोप, आरोपलाई चाई तपाईहरुले अलिकति गहिराईरुपले अलिकति साथ र सहयोग दिनुपर्ने चाई देखिएको छ अलिकति वनमा पनि हामीलाई अलिकति दिक्कड़, अलिकति आरोप प्रत्यारोप अलि हस्तक्षेप गर्ने जस्तो हाम्रो अलिकति, तपाई हरुलाई त नभनौं अलिकति तल बस्ने अलिकति हाम्रो कर्मचारीहरुलाई अलिकति ….. अब बुद्धिजीवी गाउघरको हो, उहाँहरुले नै अराउनु भएकोछ, बास्तबिकता उहाँले अलिकति धर्म प्राप्ति चाई साथ र सहयोग दिनु पर्ने नदिएको अलिकति, जतिखेर पनि हामी काम कार्य गर्छौं माथि जानु भन्छ, हामी माथि आउछौं माथि बाट तल जानु भन्छ, हामी बिचमा अल्मलिरहेका छौँ, काम गर्ने, हामीलाई विश्वास छ बन मा साथ र सहयोग दिन्छ भनि, तपाई यति राम्रो देशको लागि अलि कुरो, गहन कुरो गर्नु भयो जनता प्रति, एउटा हुन म पनि एउटा सर्बसाधारण रुपले हेरेपनि, म एउटा जनता भएपनि मा अलिकति नागरिक रुपले अलि गुरु को रुपले अलि बिस्वमा चिनारी भएर अलि गुरु को रुप भएर अलिकति त्यो स्तरमा अलिकति पुगेको छौँ त्यसमा अब तपाईहरुले कति आस्था, विश्वास, भरोसा कति लाग्छ त्यो प्राप्ति अब तपाई हरुमा नै सिमित रहने कुराहरु हो, तपाईहरुले बरोबर सुध्रिने छ भने धर्म प्रति आस्था राखेको छु, जसले गर्न सक्छ त्यसलाई अलिकति प्रत्यारोप अलिकति कुनै अन्धबिस्वास एक दुई जनाले गर्दा खेरि न कुनै भंग हुने हो कि भन्ने कुरा हरु पनि हामीले राष्ट्रको अलिकति अैले सम्म सकारात्मक कुरा राष्ट्रमा अन्तर्राष्ट्रमा पुग्न सकेको छैन, हामी पनि अलिकति राष्ट्रको चिनारी राखून भन्ने मैले पनि प्रयास गरिरहेको छु तपाईहरुप्रति के छ यसमा तपाईहरु मलाई विश्वास लाग्छ । गहिराई देखिनै तपाईहरु विश्वास लाग्नु सानो एउटा बन एउटा प्राप्ति गरेर दिन सक्छौ भन्ने पुरा विश्वास लिएको छु मैले । म यति कुरा गर्न बनको लागि अलिकति प्रस्ताव राखौं . देशलाई मैले केहि गर्न सक्छु कि भन्ने चाह चाई लिएको छु ।

 

Gentleman: सम्माननीय प्रधानमन्त्री ज्यू लाई म के भन्न चाहन्छु भने मैले सामान्य एउटा दुईता कुरा जुनबेला नेपालमा दैनिक १५, २० जनाको लास उठिरहेकै थियो . गुरु ६२ साल जेठ २ गते जब तपस्या को लागि जुन्गले मा प्रवेश हुनु भयो त्यसपछि करिब करिब नेपालको स्थाईत्वमा लोकतन्त्रमा गणतन्त्र स्थापनाको क्रममा माओवादी हरुको गतिबिधि पनि सबै साम्य हुदै आयो र आब यो माहोल मा यो धार्मिक बन जुन हलखोरिया हुनु हुन्छ उहाँ गुरु त्यो एरिया मा चाई ६०० हेक्टर चाई पहिला हामी तार बार गरेर बसेको थियो धार्मिक कार्यक्रम गरेर हजुरको त्यो सबै चाई हामीहरुको मठ मन्दिर त्यहाँ कजोपा हरु जो जति धार्मिक गतिविधिहरु गरे कार्येक्रम थियो हाम्रो संघ भक्त जन हरु बस्ने ठाउँ हरु थियो त्यो सबै चाई सरकारले भत्काई दिएपछि गुरुलाई त्यहाँ प्रवेशै गर्न दिनु भएन मिडिया पत्रकार हरु लगाएर त्यहाँ चाई नचाहिँदो काम भो र पछि चाई हजूरको अस्ति चाई हामीले अैले चाई हलखोरियामा प्रवेश हुँदा जेठ २८ गते पुनराबेदन अदालतको चाईनि यो अन्तरिम आदेश मा गएको थियो, त्यो बेला मा पनि शशस्त्र बन रक्षक आएर राती चाईनि तपाइको ७०० जना को फौज पुलीस आएर चाई गुरुलाई हटाउन भनेर खोज्नु भो मा स्वयम् हलखोरिया र पिलुवा मै थिएँ त्यो बेलामा तर पुलीसले हामी सबैलाई त लेखेत्नु भो गुरुलाई त भेट्नु भएन भनेर पछि भोलि पल्ट मलाई भन्दै हुनु हुन्थ्यो त्यहाँ बनको कर्मचारीहरुले. अनि त्यहाँ दुईताकुरा देखियो प्रधान मन्त्रि ज्यू, एउटा त्यो हलखोरिया मा जुन दह छ त्यो दह मा चाई माछाको खेती गर्दो रैछ त्यो माछा मार्ने मान्छेहरु बढी आउने अनि त्यो राष्ट्रिय बन क्षेत्र भएको हुनाले त्यो कर्मचारीले पनि निर्णय गर्न नसकेको हो जस्तो लाग्यो र त्यो राष्ट्रिय बन क्षेत्रमा चाई अब दाउरा जुन रुख काट्ने तस्कर हरुको चाई जमात जस्तो लाग्यो मलाई, त्यहाँ ६ वर्ष गुरु बस्दा खेरि त त्यहाँ त अब रुख को पात नि टिप्न पाएन तस्करण ले चाई यो जमात हरुले चाई त्यहाँ को totally बाराको प्रसाशन चाई हामी प्रति आरोप लाएर चाई लागि राखेको जस्तो हामीले महसुश गरेको छौँ अन्य जिल्लामा हामीलाई समस्या छैन जस्तो सिन्धुपाल्चोकमा गुरु बस्नु भो, सिन्धुलीमा गुरु बस्नु भो, सर्लाहीमा पनि गुरु बस्नु भो, पथरकोटमा कहिँ पनि प्रसाशनले दुक्ख दिएन बाराकै प्रसाशन र बिशेष गरि बनको कर्मचारीहरु चाई राती गुरुलाई लखेट्ने यहाँ गुरुलाई बस्ने आदेश छैन भन्ने माथि बाट आदेश छ भन्ने ६,६ वर्ष गुरु यहाँ बसेको तपाइलाई थाहा छैन भन्दाखेरि थाहा छ भन्नुहुन्छ प्रधानमन्त्रीज्यू

 

PM: बन माफिया ले उस् गर्या त्यहाँ भूमाफिया हरु ले प्रवेश गर्या हुन्छ उनीहरुले भगवान धर्म केहि मान्दैन

 

Ramlal Bomjon: हामी देशको लागि चाई इज्जत राख्नुपर्यो सबै एउटा ठाउमा रहेको अन्धबिस्वास मा रहेको …… शान्तिको मार्ग मा लाग्नु पर्छ अशान्ति हैन सबैलाई सुधार होस धर्म गर्न सकून जल प्राणीलाई एउटा संरक्षण गर्न सकौं हाम्रो देश को कुनै प्रधानमन्त्री कुनै राजा कुनै धुन्य त कुनै भमित त्यस्तो सारो चाई हामी एउटा धम्मिक उसको लागि मात्रै गरेको हुँ संसार को हित को लागि कुनै आफ्नो अहमता को लागि हैन तपैले यो बुझिदिनु पर्यो किनभने ठिक छ त्यतिमात्र बन एउटा मात्र उपलब्धि गरि दिनुस अरु सबै गर्न सक्छु सबै देश ले नै चाहन्छ राष्ट्र अन्तर्राष्ट्रले नै के हो यो भन्छ प्रश्न उठाउछन् क उठाउने हामीले अब ठिकै छ जे छ ठिकै छ केहि भाबना छैन अहिले सम्म त्यै भन्छौं हाम्रो negative कुरा हरु बाहिर नपुगोस कुनै देशहरुमा

 

 

 

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